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October 16[edit]

where is the official communication area or storage among users/wikipedians?[edit]

Hello there, is it any mailing list? Wikipedia:Wikipedia_Signpost? -- Ktsquare (talk) 02:14, 16 October 2021 (UTC)[]

@Ktsquare: Hi there! The official communication areas include millions of talk pages and Wikipedia pages (like this help desk). There are many mailing lists (see Wikipedia:Mailing lists), including Wikipedia:Wikipedia Signpost/Subscribe. Happy editing! GoingBatty (talk) 02:43, 16 October 2021 (UTC)[]
If you want to communicate with other admins you could consider using the Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard. Thincat (talk) 11:07, 16 October 2021 (UTC)[]
@Ktsquare: Note also that all entries in all of those "communication areas" are retrievable using the "history" of the respective pages all the way back to the creation of each page, which in some cases occurred in 2003. (Except for rare cases of revision deletion for causes including copyright violations and disclosures of personal information). I think this may be the "storage" you refer to. You are not supposed to "store" random stuff on Wikipedia's servers, but you can create subpages of your user page for stuff you are working on for inclusion in Wikipedia or related to inclusion in Wikipedia. We also have projects, and those projects have talk pages for collaboration with other Wikipedians. -Arch dude (talk) 18:40, 16 October 2021 (UTC)[]

The Stroke page of Wikipedia[edit]

I think you should have the definition of stroke be "->-<-<-<<-<-<->>>-><-<-<-><-<-" because I've seen videos (in school contexts) and thats what they've looked like, plus my friend showed me a video of bingus and it looked like it had a stroke and bingus went like "->-<-<-<<-<-<->>>-><-<-<-><-<-" — Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk) 02:40, 16 October 2021 (UTC)[]

Hi there! The best place for constructive feedback about an article is the article's talk page (e.g. Talk:Stroke), preferably with published reliable sources. Happy editing! (Please remember to sign your posts on talk pages by typing four keyboard tildes like this: ~~~~.) GoingBatty (talk) 02:45, 16 October 2021 (UTC)[]
I have no idea what form of Stroke (disambiguation) the OP is referring to, but I doubt it's the medical kind: my best guess would have been Rowing stroke, were it not that "bingus" may refer to a cat stroking video(?) momentarily popular on something called "Instagram." {The poster formerly known as} (talk) 19:33, 16 October 2021 (UTC)[]


I have this weird problem with the Wikipedia pages in English on Chrome.

Everything (text and pictures) are about threee times as large as normal on any page in English. Everything goes back to normal size when I shift to another language (Swedish, German, French, Danish ...) or when I use Firefox instead.

Not the end of the world but a little bit annoying.

Ps. I use a Windows 10 Home, version 20H2 disktop computer. The Chrome version is 94.0.4606.81 — Preceding unsigned comment added by Mffanders (talkcontribs) 10:54, 16 October 2021 (UTC)[]

You're more likely to get an answer at Wikipedia:Reference desk/Computing. Clarityfiend (talk) 11:09, 16 October 2021 (UTC)[]
Have you tried clicking ctrl-0 when viewing one of these enlarged pages? Maproom (talk) 11:55, 16 October 2021 (UTC)[]
@Mffanders: When you're on an English Wikipedia page that is too large, try clicking the three dot icon at the top right of the browser, and double check that the Zoom is set to 100%. Hope this helps, and happy editing! GoingBatty (talk) 20:37, 18 October 2021 (UTC)[]
@Mffanders: As Maproom and GoingBatty have suggested, this is expected of Chrome's zoom feature; it will remember the zoom size for each domain you visit. Pressing Ctrl+0 will return the pages in that domain to its default size. —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 21:59, 18 October 2021 (UTC)[]

How I Can Make Page of My Organization[edit]


I am a health Professional and Article Writer on how i can Make a Attractive page on wikipedia of my Organization Pharmapedia Pakistan. Please help us. Thanks Azam Maroof — Preceding unsigned comment added by Pharmapediaa (talkcontribs) 12:36, 16 October 2021 (UTC)[]

You probably cannot, Pharmapediaa. Please read Wikipedia:Plain and simple conflict of interest guide very carefully. -- Hoary (talk) 12:47, 16 October 2021 (UTC)[]
Firstly you need to read about conflict of interest and paid editing, then you need to understand that Wikipedia is not for promotion. You also need to read WP:CORPNAME. After all that you can read Wikipedia's definition of notability for companies. --David Biddulph (talk) 12:50, 16 October 2021 (UTC)[]

Can I get a permission to upload mp3 to Commons?[edit]

Hi, I found this page, but I do not understand how can I get this permission. Extended Uploaders role still exists? I know about copyrights.

Vitaly Zdanevich (talk) 15:57, 16 October 2021 (UTC)[]

The page to which you linked says: "Extended uploader has been discontinued per community consensus ..." --David Biddulph (talk) 16:11, 16 October 2021 (UTC)[]
According to c:Commons:File types#Sound, you need to be autopatrolled in order to upload MP3 files. You can request it at c:Commons:Requests for rights#Autopatrol. For further questions about Commons, I recommend you go to c:Commons:Help desk instead. – Rummskartoffel 16:29, 16 October 2021 (UTC)[]

2021 Bangladesh riots[edit]

I created this article, but a similar article exists as 2021 Durga idol vandalism and violence in Bangladesh.

Don't know how to merge or redirect. --ZebraaaLounge (talk) 16:32, 16 October 2021 (UTC)[]

@ZebraaaLounge: Since you are the only substantive contributor to your article, just go ahead and edit the existing article to add any new material from your article (i.e., "merge" your material). Then, change your article into a redirect by completely removing its current contents and replacing them with the following:
#REDIRECT [[2021 Durga idol vandalism and violence in Bangladesh]]
Add comments on the talk pages of both articles (yes, your redirect is still an "article" with a talk page) to explain what you did. Your work is still available in the history of what will now be the redirect. -Arch dude (talk) 17:16, 16 October 2021 (UTC)[]

Sir Edward Crosbie, 5th Baronet[edit]

The Category "Wrongful Executions" has automatically listed Sir Edward Crosbie, 5th Baronet under "W". Could this be rectified to have him listed under "C"? Anne (talk) 17:23, 16 October 2021 (UTC)[]

It was listed under W because that is what you told it to do in this edit. It has now been corrected. --David Biddulph (talk) 18:19, 16 October 2021 (UTC)[]

Spacing between score and audio player[edit]

In the GA review for Gustav Mahler's Fourth Symphony, reviewer ErnestKrause made the following observation for this section of the article:

Musical scores included with optional tabs to listen to a musical sample appears to have text which "bleeds" fonts into one another. For example, the piano symbol 'p' flows or bleeds into the frame box for the musical sample box. This could be helped by adding an extra blank line judiciously between the musical scores included and their associated music sample tabs.

However neither of us actually know how to do this. I would appreciate it a lot if someone more experienced in Wikipedia music scores could give us a hand. GeneralPoxter (talkcontribs) 18:57, 16 October 2021 (UTC)[]

@GeneralPoxter: I see that the article is in the scope of Wikipedia:WikiProject Classical music. If you ask on the project's talk page you are more likely to get fine someone who knows that stuff. -Arch dude (talk) 22:25, 16 October 2021 (UTC)[]

Pls edit help at Socrates/Talk page[edit]

Hi, my TP reply in a thread on a typo re "Sophocles" appears beneath the next section, can't seem to fix it. No big job, but big thanks. T — Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk) 23:32, 16 October 2021 (UTC)[]

Did this edit fix the problem? It appears that you commented below the Good Article review transclusion (the {{Talk:Socrates/GA2}} in the wikitext source). – Anon423 (talk) 01:49, 17 October 2021 (UTC)[]
Hi and mille grazie, champion fixer of beginners' misedits :) Yes, problem solved. When I saw the layout miss, I tried to cut&paste it without any spaces to the last line of the previous poster, but to no avail. I guess I shall have to look up transclusion. Thx again, and all the best. T (talk) 02:36, 17 October 2021 (UTC)[]

Nazi flag depicting German nation[edit]

To whom may concern

I was researching about disasters in the world and there is a table with a list of them with fatalities and the nations involved. Unfortunately, the Nazi flag is wrongly put as the German flag. I would say this may be a disrespect to German people and innacurate information to the page. I suggest to edit the mentioned flag to the proper one. Find it in the link below:

I look forward your response.

Best regards. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2804:14C:101:816C:54A3:CC4:51C9:552F (talk) 23:32, 16 October 2021 (UTC)[]

Those dam failures took place during the Nazi regime, so the Nazi flag would make sense there (especially as they failed due to being bombed). India and Canada both use their colonial flags for the Gohna Lake dam-burst and Hog's Back Dam failures, respectively, rather than their modern ones. —A little blue Bori v^_^v Jéské Couriano 23:37, 16 October 2021 (UTC)[]
They didn't fall fail, they were pushed. Clarityfiend (talk) 00:22, 17 October 2021 (UTC) []
Shouldn't the page say Nazi Germany and link there instead? ––FormalDude talk 04:08, 17 October 2021 (UTC)[]
@FormalDude: - sort of, use [[Nazi Germany|Germany]], which produces Germany. Mjroots (talk) 09:24, 17 October 2021 (UTC)[]
The issue is that the flag is called via {{flag}}, and the format used for that includes a country and date. It's using the Nazi flag for Germany because that's the flag Germany used for the year the template's calling (1935). —A little blue Bori v^_^v Jéské Couriano 17:53, 17 October 2021 (UTC)[]
The flags have been removed from the table, so I guess that sorts it... –FlyingAce✈hello 06:22, 18 October 2021 (UTC)[]

October 17[edit]

Editing the page for people born in a specific year[edit]

Due to urgent privacy concerns, I need to remove my birth date from Wikipedia. I did that on my own entry (obviously this is not my real name, but I'm not particularly famous), but my name still appears on the "People Born in ___" page for my birth year, and I can't see how to remove it. How can I get my name off that page? Is there anywhere else I should be looking for my birth date on your site? I am a regular donor, please help me protect myself from persistent fraudsters, hackers, and loons! — Preceding unsigned comment added by Almondina Armada (talkcontribs) 04:25, 17 October 2021 (UTC)[]

Near the bottom of the article about you, you may find a line looking like
[[Category:1908 births]]
Delete this line to remove yourself from the category. Maproom (talk) 07:10, 17 October 2021 (UTC)[]
@Almondina Armada: You may find the recommendations at Wikipedia:Contact us/Article subjects helpful (regardless of your kind donor history). GoingBatty (talk) 01:25, 19 October 2021 (UTC)[]

Thanks, @Maproom: that worked!— Preceding unsigned comment added by Almondina Armada (talkcontribs) 01:53, 19 October 2021 (UTC)[]

Sir Thomas Picton[edit]

I have added some well researched information about Rosetta Smith who was Sir Thomas Picton's mistress. This is well sourced material from the Cambridge Imperial and Post-Colonial Studies.


[12] Candlin, Kit (2012). The Last Caribbean Frontier, 1795-1815. Cambridge Imperial and Post-Colonial Studies: Palgrave Macmillan. pp. 138–156. ISBN 9780230354081.

My material is systematically removed with no reasonable explanation by a number of users.

This is clearly being done for political reasons by people who want to re-write the narratives of history to fit their agenda.

Why is this politicisation happening? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Jrbsaunders (talkcontribs) 04:40, 17 October 2021 (UTC)[]

This question has received answers over at the Teahouse. Please limit your questions to either here or there. —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 06:10, 17 October 2021 (UTC)[]
Settled at Teahouse and Talk page of article in question. David notMD (talk) 21:46, 18 October 2021 (UTC)[]

Sohu and Sina[edit]

Hi, are and considered reliable sources? Thanks in advance. NguoiDungKhongDinhDanh 05:41, 17 October 2021 (UTC)[]

@NguoiDungKhongDinhDanh: A better venue to ask this is the reliable sources noticeboard, but to the best of my knowledge, they're search engines, which aren't reliable in themselves. —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 06:09, 17 October 2021 (UTC)[]


I want to propose a small change to an article (it contains an inaccuracy) but I'm reluctant to carry out the change myself as I may mess up the formatting and overall appearance of that part of the article. Can someone help...? Lemma trefoil states that it originates from the Latin trifolium which is incorrect (or perhaps partly incorrect) as the actual origin is from the Greek τριφύλλι which means tri (τρι) - leaf (φύλλι). — Preceding unsigned comment added by Lekkomanolis (talkcontribs) 06:59, 17 October 2021 (UTC)[]

If you don't want to edit the article yourself you can make an edit request on the article's talk page, but in either case you would need to provide reliable sources to justify your view that the current statement is inaccurate. A variety of dictionaries support the etymology as being from the Latin. is one example. --David Biddulph (talk) 07:48, 17 October 2021 (UTC)[]
The Latin and Greek words are cognates, but the direct descent of the English word is from Latin via French. Deor (talk) 17:31, 17 October 2021 (UTC)[]

a link actually does exist on wiki, how can i implement this[edit]

dear Sirs, ladies,

i was reading about the natlab in eindhoven on wikipedia

and i saw that mr. Else Kooi was mentioned in red, meaning he does not have a wiki page. but i know that he has!

although it is only in dutch. so may i be so bold as to ask, is it an idea to link the page to the dutch wiki page, or maybe an idea to translate the dutch page into english (this i would very much be willing to do) and then link the pages together?

thank you very much for your help

and for being wikipedia!

gabbi werner — Preceding unsigned comment added by La hermitesse (talkcontribs) 10:36, 17 October 2021 (UTC)[]

To link to the Dutch article until an English one appears, you can use the template {{ill}}. For advice on translation, see Help:Translation. --David Biddulph (talk) 10:47, 17 October 2021 (UTC)[]

How can you create new page for a company[edit]

We have a 3 year old Company and would like a wiki page — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2601:401:4380:3DE0:1C88:B897:F0B0:2EE8 (talk) 11:33, 17 October 2021 (UTC)[]

You will see answers to similar questions earlier on this page. Firstly you need to read about conflict of interest and paid editing, then you need to understand that Wikipedia is not for promotion. After all that you can read Wikipedia's definition of notability for companies. --David Biddulph (talk) 11:37, 17 October 2021 (UTC)[]
Wikipedia, to be frank, has no interest in whether or not your company would like an article (we have articles, not pages"). There are, in fact, good reasons your company might not want one. Our only interest is in summarizing what independent reliable sources with significant coverage say about companies that meet Wikipedia's special definition of a notable company. 331dot (talk) 13:06, 17 October 2021 (UTC)[]

Page Confirmation[edit]

I found this draft about Hotel chain in Dubai which have more than a 1000 rooms and 11 properties. But unfortunately I cannot find appropriate links to push it out of Sandbox. I believe that this is very noticeable, but require help with links attachment. Please help — Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk) 14:28, 17 October 2021 (UTC)[]

You're going to want to see WP:REFBEGIN and make sure that the sources you use are reliable enough to establish its notability as Wikipedia defines it. —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 14:47, 17 October 2021 (UTC)[]
Please read WP:CSMN. It must be notable by our definition, and that definition is that there are several reliable sources of the correct type. Therefore, we don't say "it's notable, so find sources". Instead, we say "I found the right sources, so it's notable". So far, this draft does not seem to have such sources. Here at the help desk, we try to help you use or edit Wikipedia. We are not generally equipped to help you find additional sources. -Arch dude (talk) 15:42, 17 October 2021 (UTC)[]

October 18[edit]

Change Page Name[edit]

I don't see "more" on my page to change the title to something unique since there is already a page with my companies name, I need to create it "Ridge (company)" or something similar. Can't figure out what to do without the more option. Can someone provide an alternative solution please? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Samg67895 (talkcontribs) 06:35, 18 October 2021 (UTC)[]

The Wikipedia article Ridge isn't 'your page', and your ridiculous attempts to hijack it for an article on another topic are highly improper. An 'alternative solution' would start by using a bit of common sense before acting in such a manner. Read Help:Your first article, and Wikipedia:Conflict of interest, and if you can actually provide evidence that the company in question meets our notability guidelines, it may be possible to create an article on it. A neutral, encyclopaedic one, not the promotional fluff you have written. It will however not be 'your' page either. AndyTheGrump (talk) 06:46, 18 October 2021 (UTC)[]
Hello, Samg67895. While I'll express myself a little less grumpily than Andy, I agree with all he says. Like many people, you have a fundamental misunderstanding of what Wikipedia is. It is not for promotion - ie, telling the world about your company. If at some point Wikipedia has an article about your company, the article will not belong to you, will not be controlled by you, will not be for your benefit, will not necessarily say what you want it to say, should preferably not be written by you, and should be based almost entirely on what people unconnected with you have chosen to publish about your company, not on what you say or want to say. It follows that unless several people unconnected with you have published significant coverage of your company in reliable sources, then there is nothing that can go into an article about it, and no article will be accepted: the Wikipedia jargon for this is whether or not your company is notable. If you can find such sources to establish notability, then you are permitted to try and create an article (though discouraged). You must make a formal declaration of yourself as a paid editor, study about editing with a conflict of interest, and use the articles for creation process - you will be advised to read your first article. Be aware that creating an article is perhaps the most difficult task there is for an inexperienced editor, and it is very much more difficult if you have a conflict of interest.
My advice to you is that if you want to contribute this wonderful collaborative project to make knowledge accessible, you put aside the idea of writing about your own affairs, and try the Wikipedia Adventure. If you are here only to promote your company, then please do it somewhere else. --ColinFine (talk) 09:11, 18 October 2021 (UTC)[]
Samg67895. The tech details of all this are a little beyond my expertise, so I wouldn't normally chime in. But Grumpy or not, I think Andy's first point could stand a little elaboration. His comments got me curious, so I looked to see what you had done. And I was flabbergasted and dumbfounded and a few other "... ed's" that I haven't thought of yet.
So, you've got a company you call "Ridge," and you think it should have a Wikipedia entry. So you take the Wikipedia article on "Ridge," meaning the geological feature, wipe out its content, and fill it with a blurb on your company. That does look kind of heavy- if not under- handed.
But the Mantra is, Assume Good Faith. And I try to do that for anything that's not obvious mischief. So if it had been your intention to "hijack" that article to sneak in a promo for your company, I doubt if you would then come onto this open forum to ask what you did wrong.
I think, rather, that you took the other article as kind of a model for the one you wanted to write. Then, as if it were a word processing system, you figured that if you saved your article, perhaps with a slightly modified title, your article would go in and the original would remain untouched.
But it doesn't work like that. What you actually did was more like:
  • Go into your neighborhood public library and find a paper-and-ink encyclopedia;
  • Pull out the "R" volume and page to the article about (the geological) Ridge;
  • Use scissors or a razor to cut out the pages that present that article;
  • Insert your company prospectus or brochure, and reshelve the volume.
Happily, thanks to technology, while it is now possible to do such a thing while honestly not meaning to do any damage, it's also possible to put it all back to rights with a few clicks and keystrokes. Uporządnicki (talk) 13:30, 19 October 2021 (UTC)[]
  • Ridge the geological feature is clearly what most people will be looking for. Instead of trying to destroy that article, create a draft at Draft:Ridge (company) for your company if it's notable, and submit it through WP:AFC, as this is the correct process for paid editors. Joseph2302 (talk) 13:47, 19 October 2021 (UTC)[]

Interface issues when I log in[edit]

When I log in to Wikipedia I get an interface that is bilingual where choices I can make are in French. I tried to upload an image (a jpg) but this system keeps rejecting every efforts I made to upload it. It would appear my account is considered to be a French one (perhaps because I live in a French speaking area). Can this be fixed and what do I need to do to fix it? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Expatjayray (talkcontribs) 06:38, 18 October 2021 (UTC)[]

Wikipedia's software does not detect where you are. If you go to you find English-language Wikipedia; , French-language Wikipedia; , an index to all the different language versions. Maproom (talk) 08:18, 18 October 2021 (UTC)[]
@Expatjayray: Your preferences at Special:Preferences#mw-prefsection-personal include a language option. What is that set to? --David Biddulph (talk) 08:24, 18 October 2021 (UTC)[]
@Expatjayray: the trouble you had uploading the image was not due to language. Instead you triggered a filter that stops new users from uploading small jpg files due to frequent copyright problems: You can upload the image directly via Upload wizard. MKFI (talk) 11:56, 18 October 2021 (UTC)[]

I want to list my current company - M/s Jerai Fitness on Wikipedia[edit]


Im facing a problem as I do not know how to list my company - Jerai Fitness on Wikipedia.

The company is a 27 year old company in Mumbai, India and we are really interested in creating a profile for the company M/s Jerai Fitness Pvt. Ltd and also our brand Being Strong. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Jerai Fitness (talkcontribs) 07:26, 18 October 2021 (UTC)[]

If you read the section #How I Can Make Page of My Organization above, you will find the answers. --David Biddulph (talk) 07:33, 18 October 2021 (UTC)[]
Also my fuller answer to #Change Page Name just above, Jerai Fitness. In addition, your username is not acceptable, as it appears to be promotional and represent an organisation rather than yourself personally. --ColinFine (talk) 09:13, 18 October 2021 (UTC)[]
(ec) Wikipedia does not have profiles- not a single one. Wikipedia has articles, typically written by independent editors. Wikipedia is not a directory of businesses, but an encyclopedia. 331dot (talk) 09:14, 18 October 2021 (UTC)[]

Email as source[edit]

I noticed the article Stephen Heymann sources an email which is not available. This is not verifiable. But it also seems like a useful source. Is there a way it can be used, e.g. with OTRS? --Ysangkok (talk) 10:48, 18 October 2021 (UTC)[]

No, Ysangkok, unpublished information can never be used in an article: that contravenes the core policy of verifiability. --ColinFine (talk) 11:10, 18 October 2021 (UTC)[]

Colin Powell[edit]

Bold text

Colin Powell - POWELL is a Welsh name that comes from "ap Howell" that means son of Howell as origin of surname from — Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk) 14:32, 18 October 2021 (UTC)[]

If you are proposing an addition to the Colin Powell article, please do so at Talk:Colin Powell. 331dot (talk) 14:38, 18 October 2021 (UTC)[]
That information is already properly included at Powell (surname). Colin is not the only notable person with that surname. Roger (Dodger67) (talk) 07:18, 19 October 2021 (UTC)[]

(Resolved) Article "War Production Board" has contradiction with dates; needs review[edit]


Please can someone review the sources for the article War Production Board to see when the board was formed? In the lead of the article, it says it was established in January 1942; in the infobox, it says it was formed in August 1941. Perhaps this difference in terminology is relevant, however, and they are both correct. If that is the case though, that needs to be clarified. Regards, DesertPipeline (talk) 17:24, 18 October 2021 (UTC)[]

The January 1942 date was apparently added in this edit. --David Biddulph (talk) 17:35, 18 October 2021 (UTC)[]
User:David Biddulph: Thank you. I seem to remember finding that when I first encountered the article and noticed the problem. But now we have three potential dates. A review of the sources is definitely needed to determine the correct information. DesertPipeline (talk) 17:41, 18 October 2021 (UTC)[]
@DesertPipeline:, the 1941 date is simply wrong, as the Executive Order is dated 1/16/1942. I've changed the infobox and removed the contradictory tags. Thank you for bringing that to our attention and I hope that helps. Eggishorn (talk) (contrib) 20:30, 18 October 2021 (UTC)[]
User:Eggishorn: Thank you very much :) DesertPipeline (talk) 21:29, 18 October 2021 (UTC)[]

Review/ input needed for Template:Socialism in the UK[edit]

Hi all. Another user and I have disagreement over the scope of Template:Socialism in the UK - before any more editing can continue, we need outside opinion on our discourse to figure out the scope of the template/ what parties can be included within it. It would be great to know where best this can be actioned/ where to highlight this on. Jamzze (talk) 18:57, 18 October 2021 (UTC)[]

It is being discussed at Template talk:Socialism in the UK. If a consensus can't be formed there, the options include WP:3O and other methods at WP:DR. --David Biddulph (talk) 00:52, 19 October 2021 (UTC)[]

Rian Hughes wiki page[edit]

Hello - I have been attempting to update my own Wikipedia page. I am Rian Hughes, and some of the information is very old, incomplete or incorrect. I have tried to do this in a factual and not self-promoting manner, as per guidelines.

However, it appears it's all been deleted/reverted (as I was correcting the biography) as it was flagged as vandalism. This was a good few hours work, and I did not save the text myself outside of Wikipedia. Could you tell me why it was flagged, and how to reinstate it?

I still need to add more edits.

I have also created a 'ScienceService' (my user name) user page hoping that that is where I post about issues I'm having, but it seems the only option was to "publish" it, so I'm not sure if it's a public-facing page or an internal one! If that was not the right place to discuss the issue, could you please remove it. I'm afraid this is very confusing.


Rian Hughes — Preceding unsigned comment added by ScienceService (talkcontribs) 19:03, 18 October 2021 (UTC)[]

ScienceService Wikipedia has an article about you, not a mere "page". You should avoid editing it directly in most cases, but you may make formal edit requests (click for instructions) on the article talk page, detailing changes you feel are needed. Please see the autobiography policy. 331dot (talk) 19:10, 18 October 2021 (UTC)[]
Hello, ScienceService. All pages in Wikipedia are publically visible, which is why "Save Changes" was altered to "Publish changes"; but only articles are indexed by external search engines, so others (such as your user page, and drafts) will only be seen by people who go looking for them. Your user page, if you choose to create one, is for you to share information about yourself as a Wikipedia editor: a limited amount of more general biographical information is acceptable, but not anything that looks like an article.
You are strongly discouraged from directly editing an article about yourself; but you are very welcome to make edit request on the article's talk page. Note that Wikipedia's core principle of Verifiability means that an article should contain only information which is backed up by a reliably published source: personal knowledge is not acceptable. More generally, please read WP:AUTOPROB.
Note that the edits you made to Rian Hughes are still there, in the article's history: you shouldn't just reapply them, as I said, but you can look at the version you created and copy material out of it for making an edit request. --ColinFine (talk) 19:35, 18 October 2021 (UTC)[]

Hello again - thanks for getting back to me. I have no idea how to "reply" to your comments, I'm afraid, so am pasting it here. Apologies if this is the wrong place. :) I did not create the original "Rian Hughes" page - I have no idea who did that, but it's not been updated in years and, as I say, contains out of date and incomplete information. Could you look at what I've done and advise? I have just added additional details, taken out some of the out of date material, reordered the bibliography and added books that were missing, etc etc. — Preceding unsigned comment added by ScienceService (talkcontribs) 19:33, 18 October 2021 (UTC) (Moved here from above section by Wikignome Wintergreentalk 20:58, 18 October 2021 (UTC))[]

ScienceService Please do as suggested and make edit requests on the article's talk page, Talk:Rian Hughes. Please also note that for verifiability purposes we can't just take your word for things. The article about you should primarily summarize what independent reliable sources say. 331dot (talk) 22:46, 18 October 2021 (UTC)[]
ScienceService, the various past versions of the article may be found listed in its "History"; one version last edited by you is here. You might copy what you regard as important parts of this to a text file on your hard drive, match each significant nugget within this to a reliable (independent, published) source, and copy each of these and paste it to Talk:Rian Hughes as an edit request. (See Talk:Nicholson Baker for a demonstration of how this can work smoothly.) -- Hoary (talk) 23:02, 18 October 2021 (UTC)[]

Brandman University page needs update[edit]


I'm writing from the Public Affairs Office at University of Massachusetts Global (formerly Brandman University). I submitted a request to the Talk Page for the [University entry] to have the page updated to our current name and affiliation.

As of Sept. 1 the former Brandman University has adopted a new name - UMass Global - and has exited the Chapman University System to begin a new affiliation with UMass Global. We'd like to request an update to the "Brandman University" entry reflect the current facts, but it doesn't look like the page is being monitored. Who should I reach out to for assistance?

Thank you,

EdwardsBU (talk) 23:30, 18 October 2021 (UTC) Andrew Edwards Sr. Multimedia Writer UMass Global[]

EdwardsBU First, please review conflict of interest and paid editing for information on required formal disclosures. Regarding your question, a retitling is done with a page move, which may be requested at Requested Moves. Edit requests on article talk pages should be marked as such for visibility, see edit request. 331dot (talk) 23:40, 18 October 2021 (UTC)[]
@EdwardsBU: I added the {{request edit}} template to your talk page request, to get more attention to your request. GoingBatty (talk) 01:07, 19 October 2021 (UTC

@331dot, @GoingBatty Thank you. Is there some element of the conflict policy I'm missing? I had thought I had made all required disclosures of my employment/affiliation.

EdwardsBU I realize that you said it here, and possibly elsewhere, but for clarity it's best to declare it on your user page, User:EdwardsBU. Please see WP:PAID for how you can do that. 331dot (talk) 15:52, 19 October 2021 (UTC)[]

October 19[edit]

Marking Draft Talk Page as Patrolled?[edit]

If a draft talk page has a link in the lower right corner that says "Mark Page as Patrolled", what will I actually be doing if I click on that link? What is the significance of whether and when a draft talk page is marked as patrolled? My understanding of patrolling has to do with New Page Patrol, which is very important to preserving the quality of articles in the encyclopedia. I am aware that non-article pages, including drafts and WP project pages, are also listed in their own New Page Patrol queues. In particular, article pages are reviewed by NPP and can be tagged for speedy deletion, proposed for deletion, or nominated for deletion. What is the importance or unimportance of marking a draft talk page as patrolled? Robert McClenon (talk) 02:05, 19 October 2021 (UTC)[]

Robert, the best I could find was this: "the benefit of patrolling user talk pages, sockpuppetry investigations and deletion discussions is low", and I assume the same applies to draft talk pages. I don't bother clicking it (it presumably sends a worthless and confusing notification to the page's creator, so the harm outweighs any possible benefit), although I understand others do. Extraordinary Writ (talk) 06:35, 19 October 2021 (UTC)[]

Notability and references for an article[edit]

After Babri Masjid demolition, Hindu temples, and one Sikh temple were attacked in the United Kingdom. No mention who did it, but one printed newspaper implied that British Pakistanis were responsible, which doesn't have an online version.

1992 temple attacks in UK

Is it possible to create an article on these few sources? Can anyone find any academic or old media archive source?


Mentioned at the end-

Shree Krishna Mandir in West Bromwich, which was destroyed in an arson attack on 8 December 1992. £1.6m Hindu temple opens after 18 years (August 2010) describes the opening of the rebuilt mandir.

ZebraaaLounge (talk) 02:20, 19 October 2021 (UTC)[]

@ZebraaaLounge: If this is in regards to a particular article (perhaps 2021 Bangladesh riots?), you should discuss this on the article's talk page. —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 02:51, 19 October 2021 (UTC)[]
No. How is 1992 UK related to 2021 Bangladesh? ZebraaaLounge (talk) 02:56, 19 October 2021 (UTC)[]
@ZebraaaLounge: Ah, I was only glancing at your recent contributions. My point still stands; please discuss this on the relevant article's talk page. —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 06:21, 19 October 2021 (UTC)[]
@ZebraaaLounge: If there isn't enough info to write a standalone article about the UK arsons (I haven't read all the sources you linked, sorry, just the NYT piece), is there an existing article for the related Indian conflict? If so, you could start by covering the UK incidents as a section in the other article, and split it off if it becomes sufficiently developed. ⁓ Pelagicmessages ) 20:17, 19 October 2021 (UTC)[]

How to group 24 references/sources together under a single ref?[edit]

I came across Siege of Leningrad#Timeline, which has no fewer than 24 references for its first sentence! These are actually general sources for the timeline that follows, and apply to it collectively. How do I group the 24 references into a single clickable reference that will then take you down to the actual list of 24 at the bottom of the page? I know I've seen this done on other pages, but couldn't find any examples just now. Thank you for your help! Ganesha811 (talk) 02:21, 19 October 2021 (UTC)[]

That's a lot! See H:CITEMERGE. Firefangledfeathers (talk) 02:23, 19 October 2021 (UTC)[]
Thanks, that looks helpful. Lordy, I'm not sure I'm up to it, but I'll give it a shot! Ganesha811 (talk) 03:06, 19 October 2021 (UTC)[]
I have the page watchlisted and will happily double-check and clean up. Firefangledfeathers (talk) 03:16, 19 October 2021 (UTC)[]


my company i wanted to create a wikipedia page seeing we have a movie release next year in august but was denied . — Preceding unsigned comment added by Warzonecomics (talkcontribs) 03:40, 19 October 2021 (UTC)[]

@Warzonecomics: What was the name of the Wikipedia article that was "denied"? ––FormalDude talk 04:01, 19 October 2021 (UTC)[]

we created 2 one for the character Bugsy and one for the film Bugsy "The Becoming" — Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk) 04:06, 19 October 2021 (UTC)[]

Warzonecomics it is actually quite rare for a movie to be notable before it has been released and professional critical reviews have published. Roger (Dodger67) (talk) 07:24, 19 October 2021 (UTC)[]

the project and the character has been around before social media, when yahoo was just geocities and probably before wikipedia but we have a decent fan base outside of social media and we look to bring that and some to our pages on the internet etc. — Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk) 07:30, 19 October 2021 (UTC)[]

You have no "pages" here. Wikipedia has articles, not mere "pages", and those articles are not in any way for the benefit of the subject. There might be benefits on the side, but we aren't concerned with those. 331dot (talk) 08:41, 19 October 2021 (UTC)[]
@Warzonecomics: Hi there! When you want to improve articles related to your company, you may post suggestions on the article talk pages with the {{request edit}} template, preferably providing independent and reliable sources. You may not edit those articles directly due to your conflict of interest (COI). You should also create a new username and declare your COI. Also, you may be interested in reading the history of Yahoo! and Yahoo! GeoCities. Happy editing! GoingBatty (talk) 12:49, 19 October 2021 (UTC)[]

Filter for inappropriate edit summaries?[edit]

Is there a filter for edit summaries with insult words similar to Wikipedia:Edit filter? Or are them all have to be reported manually to be redacted? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Güherçile (talkcontribs) 10:28, 19 October 2021 (UTC)[]

Remove Banner ?[edit]

What can I to remove this banner from a page? This article has multiple issues. Please help to improve it or discuss these issues on the talk page. (Learn how and when to remove these template messages) This article needs additional citations for verification. (October 2021) A major contributor to this article appears to have a close connection with its subject. (October 2021) Eashleyfox (talk) 16:51, 19 October 2021 (UTC)[]

In the banner to which you refer, the words "Learn how and when to remove these template messages" are in blue to indicate that they are a wikilink, which leads to Help:Maintenance template removal. --David Biddulph (talk) 16:59, 19 October 2021 (UTC)[]

Why can't Creative Commons 4.0 text be copied into Wikipedia (which is CC BY-SA 3.0)[edit]

Hi all

I know CC 4.0 (BY and BY-SA) images can be used on Wikipedia, however I know that 4.0 text cannot be copied into Wikipedia, unlike 3.0 text. I've seen Crow write here that 'CC-BY-SA 4.0's terms state that the Share Alike part must be at version 4 or any later version. Since we're published under CC-BY-SA-3, we can't currently meet that requirement'. However I can't point to where this is stated in the license. Does anyone know where I could find this wording?

Thanks very much

. John Cummings (talk) 17:10, 19 October 2021 (UTC)[]

@John Cummings: I found these links. [1] that shows which licenses are considered compatible. For 4.0, it must be 4.0 or later to be compatible. Here is the license text for 4.0, which states that you need to use a compatible license: [2]. So for 4.0 you need to use 4.0 or later licenses. This is not legal advice, if you want legal advice, consult a lawyer, etc. RudolfRed (talk) 18:42, 19 October 2021 (UTC)[]
Hi RudolfRed thanks so much, this is exactly what I needed :) John Cummings (talk) 18:49, 19 October 2021 (UTC)[]

How to Setup WikiPedia[edit]

Hello Team,

How to Set-up WikiPedia.

Thanks & Regards,

Satheesh — Preceding unsigned comment added by Digifobs (talkcontribs) 17:50, 19 October 2021 (UTC)[]

@Digifobs: There's no need to set up Wikipedia, as it's already set up for users. If you're talking about creating an article for a company or organisation you work for, I strongly encourage not attempting to do so unless you're able to find reliable sources, and that someone unconnected to the subject work on it rather than yourself. In such a case you should also disclose your affiliation with the company. —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 17:59, 19 October 2021 (UTC)[]



I am trying to edit Brampton Carlisle wiki page and add some Weather Information.

The information is 100% correct but its been deleted twice and I now have a warning that I am vandalizing the page.

This is not my intention, I just have some weather data to add to a small local page

Please help me

Thankyou Paul — Preceding unsigned comment added by PaulACrabtree (talkcontribs) 19:27, 19 October 2021 (UTC)[]

PaulACrabtree Please discuss your edits on the article talk page, and offer any independent reliable sources that you have. 331dot (talk) 19:31, 19 October 2021 (UTC)[]
Hi, PaulACrabtree. Somebody reverting your edit means that that editor disagrees that the edit is an improvement, that's all. It doesn't mean they're right or that you're right, just that they disagree with you (and it does not necessarily mean that "Wikipedia doesn't accept your edit", just that particular editor). When that happens, the thing to do is to open a discussion on the question, inviting the other editor, to put your arguments and try and reach consensus. Sometimes, the other editor will be arguing from a Wikipedia policy that you don't know about. Sometimes they may be mistaken about your intentions. Sometimes they may have different ideas from you of what belongs in a particular article: you don't know until you discuss it. Maybe you'll convince them; maybe they'll convince you. Maybe you'll reach a compromise. Maybe you'll be unable to reach a compromise, and then you can follow the procedures in dispute resolution. What you must not do is simply apply your edit again: that is called edit warring, and is regarded as disruptive. The process is explained in WP:BOLD, revert, discuss cycle. --ColinFine (talk) 20:42, 19 October 2021 (UTC)[]
@PaulACrabtree: as a reader I would expect to find weather information in the article for a region or maybe a major city, but not for every smaller settlement. On the other hand, if a locality has an official weather station, then maybe we should include that data regardless? City of Carlisle (the LGA) has it and South Lakeland doesn't. Carlisle the city does and Brampton didn't. I wonder if this is a general question that's bigger than the one article, and whether anyone knows of similar discussions that may have occurred elsewhere. ⁓ Pelagicmessages ) 21:01, 19 October 2021 (UTC)[]

Peer review template after page move[edit]

Quick question: After agreement on the talk page, I moved Yuzuru Hanyu Olympics seasons to Yuzuru Hanyu Olympic seasons. However, I did not consider the effects on the peer review page and related templates. In the archives I found this suggestion to add the |page= parameter to the PR template on the talk page, but it didn't connect to the existing PR page. It still asks to choose a topic.

Thank you very much in advance. Henni147 (talk) 19:47, 19 October 2021 (UTC)[]